I just picked this up. I recall the idea was sort of group mentoring.

Great if there is a way to group new joiners into categories/interests.

To match their needs with roles working groups/SIGs, we need a
consolidated list of roles we desperately need.

Currently, I see high level of imbalance of people who are flooding into
certain groups whereas another team is under-resourced for years.

This is a cursory view only. I would come back with new mindset after my
vacation.

On 09/03/2024 15:18, Ankur Sinha wrote:

ankursinha reported a new issue against the project: Fedora-Join that you are following:
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Hi folks,

Can I please ask you to take a look at this topic on discussion.fp.o?

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/organising-monthly-new-contributor-cohorts/107600/2

Especially new people---would this be helpful to you?
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To reply, visit the link below or just reply to this email
https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/291

I think something like this would be a great idea. We could have like a monthly or whatever new person chat and question thing. Outside the of the Outreachy and Google Summer of Code I'm not aware of any mentoring or community building. (please corrector me if I'm wrong. I'm not really sure how those programs work).

Every month could be a different topic and someone from that Team could talk and answer questions, let people know about Fedora from their point of view. e.g. , Packaging & Development, Engineering Teams, Fedora Operations Architect, DEI Team, Mindshare Teams.
We could also maybe have members from some SIGs talk on certain days about whats up with their group and the best way to get involved.

I do think its important we do it in a voice or video call. Text chat is nice but something about being able to joke and talk in real time just hits different. Also putting a voice or face to someone really adds to the "we are real people doing real things" and would help people that might not know each other be less shy to communicate.

I think it would be a great idea to post about this newbie meeting on different subreddits, Discord severs that would allow it, maybe other open source project Fedora magazine equivalent or Gnome and KDEs news channels. Lmk and i'll get to posting and taking to other orgs. lol

I'm just spit balling but I think the idea of something like this is awesome.

Hey! Just created an account and checking this community out, I've used Fedora as my daily drive for a few weeks and loving everything about it. Love this idea to help noobs like me out

We'll try and get this going in the new year---we just have to find some folks who have enough cycles to organise it (any new folks here willing to take this on, with help from us of course??)

@designzbyoj : we do have a "Welcome to Fedora" process in place to help newcomers. Have we started that for you (should we)?

https://pagure.io/fedora-join/WelcomeToFedora

Yup, I would love to volunteer for this! :)
let me know how I can help?

Hi folks,

So, I don't realistically have time to take this on. Would anyone else like to take this up? I can help with the details, but I just don't have the cycles to actually take ownership of this and run it regularly.

Cheers,

hey @ankursinha, I would like to volunteers for this?
I'll help in any way I can, although I'm not sure if im eligible for this, even helping those who run it or anything is fine by me :D

That's great @thisisyaash . Let's wait for a couple of days to let others chime in too. Perhaps a topic on discussion.fp.o would be useful too? What to you think?

yeah, that is a good idea!
how about we use mailing list for greater reach? (yk, we can point them to the thread)
and we can have the streamlined convo in discussions.fp.o?

anything fine :)

Sure, do you want to send a mail out to the ML (and create a topic on discussion.fp.o under the "project discussions" category with a "join-sig" tag)?

yeah sure, let me create the thread for this
then I'll drop the link here, and send out the mail to MLs

@ankursinha sry, I was about to write the thread but yesterday I noticed that there's already a thread available with the same title.

Is that thread okay, can we write mail out on ML that points to the thread?

Ah, of course, it's the description for this ticket! I totally forgot..

Sure, yeh, could you send a quick post to the ML asking people to chime in with links to the discussion topic and here? Also, please do comment on the discussion post, and that'll also bump the thread there :)

of course, I will do it now :D

could you please mention the ML address?
I dont know which one? @ankursinha

This one (the one all newcomers send their introductions to): fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/fedora-join.lists.fedoraproject.org/

In my opinion, such mail should be sent to the whole community and not only to the join sig.
It would be nice that expert people around the community would be involved.
But we know. People is busy. This is the main issue in any onboarding process.

hmm... how about we let the contributors help other contributors onboard :sweat_smile:
you know, maybe can assign them in a group (new group) and contributors from that group will assist in onboarding other contributors.
obviously, only those who volunteer will be added to the group

we can also ask them for feedback in terms of improving the onboarding process...

IMHO

hmm... how about we let the contributors help other contributors onboard :sweat_smile:
you know, maybe can assign them in a group (new group) and contributors from that group will assist in onboarding other contributors.
obviously, only those who volunteer will be added to the group

we can also ask them for feedback in terms of improving the onboarding process...

IMHO

The group you are thinking of is this fedora-join group :)

Ooohh.... :eyes:
So even I can open tickets? Do i have the perms to do it? (wondering...i've never tried)

you know we the command we use on #join-fedora !welcome?
can I use it?

Yes, everyone can open tickets on all pagure projects (by default). One does not need to be in any groups for that. People in the groups that have permissions on pagure projects can do more things, like update the metadata and so on on tickets.

Yes, everyone can use the !welcome command too.

In general, we "default to open" in Fedora, so everyone has access to everything unless there is a reason to limit access (for example to the package related repositories on https://src.fedoraproject.org, where security is important).

hmm...yeah, that makes sense.
thanks for the explanation :-)

sry for getting off track from main topic :P

I have estimated that a maximum of three people would attend a monthly new contributor cohort. (Rough numbers, based on 60 signups a year, half attending a cohort)
Do we still want to persue this or can we close the ticket and look at other options?

IMHO, we should stick with this idea of "monthly new contributor cohort", even if there's less number people will going to be present "for now". I believe over the time, more people would start joining the cohort. For that reason, we should provide them the platform/place to show up.

my perspective is, when the new folks who are going to join Fedora Project will know that there's a monthly cohort for new comers to show up and get help from other people.

I found that in previous years, there have been double the number of new people joining up. @thisisyaash you were not the first (as you are in this database), because the previous database got trashed somehow.

Build it and they will come. It is a matter of human resources. I'm certainly open to starting it up. What I don't want is failed expectations. If we go into it with "I know this will be small but we are testing and training for the future" then it could work.

I would want to see a program (agenda) for what we would say and do in the cohort, and the time it would take.

Another idea I have is a virtual tour of Fedora, where we take a group in real-time to say hi and get a little run-down of various SIGs. Say visit Docs (10mins), Council (10 mins), Design (10 mins) . Would take buy in from all areas though - might be difficult to coordinate.

I found that in previous years, there have been double the number of new people joining up. @thisisyaash you were not the first (as you are in this database), because the previous database got trashed somehow.

yeaa yeaah, I'm aware that I'm not the first one here :-)

Build it and they will come. It is a matter of human resources. I'm certainly open to starting it up. What I don't want is failed expectations. If we go into it with "I know this will be small but we are testing and training for the future" then it could work.
I would want to see a program (agenda) for what we would say and do in the cohort, and the time it would take.
Another idea I have is a virtual tour of Fedora, where we take a group in real-time to say hi and get a little run-down of various SIGs. Say visit Docs (10mins), Council (10 mins), Design (10 mins) . Would take buy in from all areas though - might be difficult to coordinate.

well, yeah
I agree....considering everything is mostly run by volunteers..that makes sense!
starting out small and testing it out sounds like a good plan

A tour of the community would be fantastic.

For some reference, at some point, the community was working on building a whole "Fedora hub" website where all teams would be listed and people could easily communicate and navigate through each. This didn't happen for lots of reasons.

Would a live tour be the way to go, or do we think we can speak to Mindshare/Commops/Design to see if we can come up with a nice "Fedora community tour!" recorded video sort of thing perhaps?